But, because they get less than 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, they are not tested. When I was in we still carried the Colt 1911 .45. When my wife got her concealed I insisted on that weapon. towards your level. Ammunition research (from notes Ive made from sources) But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. But a 9mm is going to be nearly as effective as a .45 ACP in almost any circumstance if the shot is a hit to the chest or to a limb. Muzzle velocity is something youll see on boxes of ammunition and on ballistics stat sheets, but you may not know exactly how muzzle velocity impacts performance. One other thing of interest is that in the Buckeye Firearms study both velocity and mass increase accuracy, but again, accuracy favors calibers that can excel and one or both of these things. I'll take the the bigger bullet. [7] [8] [9] Or does it take a .500 Smith? Its still creating a bigger wound and crushing more tissue. **Specialty round for snub nose revolvers (low speed expansion)**, Copyright 2009 | Ballistics101.com | All rights reserved. When a bullet it traveling at a faster rate, it will not drop as quickly. shoot it with a hot 9mm. Some modern 45 jhp loads are creating wound channels on par with 12 ga foster slugs. Well I redid the math, and 230 gr @ 835fps is slightly less, but essentially the equivalent in energy to 124gr @ 1150fps. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. Makes me question my choice of 10.5 pistol. Speer 124 Grain 9mm +P Ammo Average Velocity: 1194 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 392 ft/lbs The Carbine has a TriDelta muzzle brake designed to stop any rise & to thrust away 2/3rds of the recoil. What ever cal. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. A picture is worth a 1,000 wordsnewself-defense 9mm ammo opens up to create some nasty possible wound channels to stop attackers in their tracks. The cheaper sprays have less contents so don't spray as long. JNB. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. . I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. Quantserve sets the mc cookie to anonymously track user behaviour on the website. Interestingly, the 9x19mm rounds generally produce higher muzzle energy which, as we all know from Newton's 3rd Law, produces an equal and opposite reaction. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. But I have a lot to learn in this area as well. Whatever you repeat thousands of times will be available for use. The only guns we fire are on computer games. 9mm is a better beginners and plinkers gun and 45acp is more for someone experienced thats wants to lay the smack down. : For me any Glock is a gun that I will be aiming at the dirt, while most Sigs & S&W revolvers will be on the money. As a retired LEO during the transition to semi-auto in the 80s, what is too politically incorrect and never mentioned is more females and smaller statured people entered the military and law enforcement. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. Weve really missed you since 2016!). At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. I'm sure he had to have some counseling, but he did his job and survived. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. It does not store any personal data. Thanks in advance, 357 magnum: the ammunition options are superior for your particular circumstance. But, to add to your argument, I read about an encounter a couple of years back where a large man broke into a house and tried to attack the lady of the house and her child. For pure destructive power there's no contestnone. 2. Some can say that you can carry more rounds ina 9mm than a .45. is go to a range and try both. There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. In church it's a full size 45 at home full size 45 SHTF one for travel one for house to house. You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. That's a big difference, and could be the difference between a heart shot and a lung shot. Fortunately plenty exists. He was being serious. Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! The FBI and the armys surgeon General have done extensive data gathering. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. But barrier's and body armor slows 45's down to BB gun effectiveness! Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. In the case of average muzzle energy for a given caliber, that would be the 9x19mm. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. Few people carry the G 34 however which is usually used for competition shooting. I finally settled on the .380acp for awhile because the size of the handguns matched my older 22lr Handgun. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. LockA locked padlock the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. I have many .45s and 9mms. Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles. If you conceal carry then there is a 90% chance of bystanders being in your firing line. Capacity is not an issue because, I live in the DPRC (Democratic Peoples Republic of California). Wonder what would be the longest barrel before a 9mm starts dropping speed. : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. lbs. . I fired four magazines on patrol engagements and was credited by MI at debriefs with seven confirmed. But then a .22 in the eye works to. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. Because 99% of people will never fight off a coyote attack let alone see a wolf and if your wandering into areas with wolves carrying a 9mm your pretty stupid as those places also have bears who aren't going to be impressed with the latest plastic fantastic. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. Yea! A .45 is good for inside the home. Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). Your 45 will end up in their pocket instead of their chest what if your outside? At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. Where's the test evidence? So instead of boasting about something that never happened, recognize actual achievements like the almost unimaginable amount of vehicles weapons ammunition & food that we produced & ferried across the Atlantic to Pacific support and supply all of the Allies and our seemingly miraculous (midway) battles w/ Imperial Japan. The reason is recoil and recovery. Hind that is capacity, availability, recoil, etc. From target to self-defense, 9mm is an extremely diverse caliber. A group of people tried that, and he killed them all, I think he killed three men with a .22 rifle. If you notice, .40 S&W and .45 ACP have the same average energy, but as I showed earlier, .45 ACP penetrates more on gel tests. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Share sensitive information only on official, secure websites. They resent that Europeans don't know or understand America or Americans, yet Europeans seem to have this superior attitude anyway. Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. Remember the reason for the .45. When you said buy both at the end I was thinking .45 for carry and 9mm for backup. I hope this helps. They say those things from a position of authority and impressionable young guys grow up and repeat them decades later. I shoot the 1911 platform better than any semi auto or revolver Ive ever shot. now the m1991A normally carries 7 rounds and the model 59 carries 15 but living here in Ca. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for the 9mm round. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Of course, 10mm which has less mass than .45 ACP still has more energy than the other calibers because its a relatively fast bullet and it's heavy, but it's not as fast as .357 SIG but it penetrates significantly more. To say that the 9mm is justbas oowerful than the .44, is totslly nonsense. As they say, those who refuse to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. For a carry I use a compact 45. The comparison between 45 ACP and 40 S&W breaks down into three different criteria: recoil, muzzle velocity (fps), and to a lesser extent, magazine capacity. Most of the 9mm-luger cartridges they tested are still accelerating out to 16, but most of the gains occur by about 10. I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. Have a great weekend, Colin. Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. The 9mm features some interesting advantages. You DO have to have the spray handy though. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. I am not an expert, I've never had a bear encounter. A 147 grain non plus P might start dropping or least stop acceleration at less than 16 inches. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. Or blind them. This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. With having very minimal firearm experience, could you recommend a good choice? .45 ACP and 10mm, both being slower heavier bullets than .357 SIG have greater penetration. I get that, but as you said, the same tech is applied to .45 and now the expanded .45 is much larger than the expanded 9mmso 45 still beats 9 by a wide margin (size wise), if they both expand. lbs. Full sized .45 or .50 for when you really mean 'permanent' and final business and .300 BLK fmj rounds through a sbr (I know, tsk, tsk) or tactical pistola for 1200-1300 fps during a full blown war or zombie apocalypse! Any one who reads this should know that vital truth! Josh Wayner has been writing in the gun industry for five years. No body needs "A" gun, with so many needs there is no one gun that is practical, thus it should be said, no one needs "A" gun, you need many. Well, accuracy can be paramount. I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. Bye, Vendetta? Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. I personally know of more more people surviving being shot with a 9 than a 45acp. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. FTX Critical Defense Lite, The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing. Till yesterday I carried .22LR. The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. Time matters. My original TL is credited with 30-40 at Son Tay. AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. Well it will make holes in bad guy/rabbid dog I am confident that I can stop attack with .22LR cause I can shoot 8 rounds in about 3 secconds center body mass, palm size group. Hah "settled". as nickel-plated cases that resist corrosion and optimized propellants that burn quickly to reduce recoil and limit muzzle flash, help ensure that Critical Defense ammo is dependable in every situation. As far as capacity goes, I live in a 10 round state. This is where accuracy matters. This article is biased toward 9mm anyway. I could not agree with you more on every level. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. Believe it or not, hours of chronograph work and loading magazines can get exhausting. Very interesting test. This is the true reasons behind the FBI changing back to the 9mm. For example, going from a 4" barrel to 7" (a 3 inch difference), every load got well over a 100 fps increase in velocity. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. Good stopping power and less likely to penetrate walls and hit a bystander. What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? Now, I can see all kinds of comments coming from that one, from 'good idea' to 'that's a terrible idea'. He paused, held up his pinkie, and said, "And if you hit a man right here," (raising said pinkie), "he's going down." Where I grew up an old timer who was still an incredibly good shot was asked which he would rather be holding in a gunfight. All this being said, get good with whatever you get, then, just go with. The average 9mm hollowpoint increased in energy by just 50 foot-pounds. If Im going for a fragmentation round, give me a .357 SIG from Liberty Civil defense at 2,300 FPS. After examining the gunshot wounds, the study ranked accuracy as follows for chest and head shots: .380 ACP (76%), 9mm (74%), .40 S&W (76%), .357 SIG (81%), .45 ACP (85%), and .44 Magnum (88%) (there was no information on 10mm). .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. a G43 to an AR15 fight. Maoris beware. It isn't a miracle round. Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. Also avg distance of civilian gunfights are extremely close quarters. The stand-out loads among those that I tested are again from Lehigh Defense. Just feel more secure with that big fat slow round. WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. back in 1971, couple years ago! They hardly hit that number. I shoot one shot with a 45 and the muzzle blast brings the barrel up sometimes cocked sideways some making it slow and difficult getting the gun back on target. 30% is being nice. 1. I own a few 9mm's and three 45's. Good show! 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Back in the day, there was a revolver chambered in .600 Nitro Express. just saying. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. Less recoil making for more accurate follow up shots is a huge advantage in a high stress defense situation. I like semi-autos, I like wheel guns too. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. You must dress around your guns. There is a plethora of loads in both 9mm and .45 that do a better job of expanding and out perform the FBI test rounds in nearly every way. It kills everything else. But the data from all three sources tend to lean towards heavier bullets penetrating more than slower ones, and then tend to be more accurate. This wont be noticed in smaller, less powerful cartridges, such as the .17 HMR, but it will be noticed in large cartridges such as the .44 Magnum or .50 BMG. Muzzle Energy. Fair & balanced article. Personalize your experience. You follow the directions on the can. Loss of speed is tied to a concept of ballistic coefficient,. I had the only 45. I agree with what the majority of old veterans say. When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs. Just my two cents. Then the spray and pray method was adopted. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him." What an awesome read. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. The main reason the military and law enforcement switched to 9mm, is to "accommodate" people (females) with weaker upper body strength. The FBI report made it clear that the more consistent accuracy of 9mm in the hands of their less experienced shooters was a factor in their returning to 9mm as their standard handgun caliber. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. (All listings are fps). I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. Theyve got lots of data on many calibers. I would most def go with 9mm for carry You never know how many attackers you will be dealing with & if they all have weapons themselves, the more ammo you can shoot the better Plus if you scared of not a enough knock down power with the 9mm. The 9mm earned international attention following WWI, partly due to its relatively small dimensions that permitted the design of high capacity magazines. Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . 1 ? Killing the BODY "in this world" is MORE than Sufficient. If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm. If your g it someone in the head, point blank, w/a blank round it should kill them. Its lighter than the 21, has greater capacity, and I can switch to .357 Sig in less than 30 seconds with nothing more than a barrel. The masses want to know. Some people are hard to stop. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. Unlike in a home defense situation, the ability to shoot through a wall, automobile, or various other objects in a combat scenario can be the difference between life and death. The .357 SIG Liberty does it with its rifle like speeds dumping its energy immediately on target and making temporary wound cavity matter. Equipped with a suppressor, they make ideal home defense weapons and they are less likely to over-penetrate. The truth isneither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. It will punch through and swing it a little. What is the best Hollow Points for a Glock 19? This can be accomplished two ways. Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. Amount: 1000 Round Case. For reasons I can't quite explain, this particular powder just didn't get along with that rifle. Not ever. Not a lick of science in this article. Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. Nurses in some states and in some situations and doctors are the only ones that can. When you actually test the loads on living breathing targets (like the Strasbourg test) , that (to me) is the best indicator. A 45 will stop an attacker much quicker than a 9mm. If worried about an encounter with bears, I'd take nothing less than 357 Mag. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. It is not an issue. Thats the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. Their non-noob advisors must suss out and add realistic priority to the criteria a noob might have learned from grampa, hollywood or G knows where. And that's a good thing!! As well as reliability? Hi Howard, I am NO EXPERT! CONNECT WITH US I also carry .357 Sig In the winter time for thicker clothing on my would be enemies. The carbine barrel length does not improve the interior, exterior, or terminal ballistics of many popular hollowpoints at all, but the carbine barrel length does push some 9mm hollowpoints into the .357 Magnum bracket in terms of velocity, energy, wound ballistics, and tactical penetration. I would think soldiers in fire fights face similar circumstances, except with more opponents who may also have body armor, which would favor the 9mm further, since it pierces armor better. as are some of my other tests. Great article!! Since the shooter is the main determinant in any weapons efficacy for self-defense, that is possibly the 9mm greatest strength. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. It would be great if the test was run as a Designed Experiment (DOE), rather than just testing for on factor (muzzle velocity). Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. Recoil is largely the same between the 9x9mm and the .45 ACP. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. Certainly this is easy to understand with the .44 Magnum because it's increased velocity and mass produces essentially twice that of 9mm, but you can't say that about the other calibers. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. However, police officers can enhance the effectiveness of the 9mm by careful bullet selection. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. So if you double tap someone or use Mozambique you are in lots of troubles and you are looking for serious jali time for murder. It must be a nightmare knowing you could be shot by a nutcase at any time, day or night. Totally agree the new technology of the self defense bullets puts the 9mm in the same class as the 45acp, but I still prefer the 45acp but I carry the 9. I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. It's both in physical and mental ability. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Now a .44 magnum round to the arm or leg? Every time. This cookie is used to keep track on user informations and reports it to Alexa analytics service. Karl, youve clearly done no ballistics research and are relying entirely on anecdotes and your own experience. If capacity isn't a factor 45 rules the roost. A .357 magnum round can have similar effects. Your statement is factually in error. I know it would have been a lot more work but I was slightly disappointed that you did not include the Glock17 with the 4.6 inch barrel. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because of its lighter bullets. Energy at the target, which is considered critical to terminal performance, is enhanced when a bullet is traveling at a higher speed. ), .45 ACP (447 ft. Its good advice and have fun digging. The 45 has more momentum than the 9mm. Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. He is an active competition shooter with 14 medals from Camp Perry. To say that the 9mm Luger has been a success would be a severe understatement. Hello. I was working off averages that clearly didn't account for the extreme edge of the versatility of the 45 ACP cartridge. Velocity (FPS) Energy (ft/lb) 1135. Hard recoil can also impact follow-up shots in self-defense situations, so some recommend slower cartridges as opposed to hotter rounds, especially for smaller or weaker gun owners. I like the .45 Auto round. An in-depth look at 9mm ballistics. Did four years of our fighting? Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. It squirts so much flame out the sides it would scare an attacker half to death. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. This is to ensure good expansion of defensive hollow point ammo, plus the Bodyguard gets lost in my pocket and slips sideways on me. Saying you can stop an attacker faster with a 9mm than a 45 is absolute ignorance. "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. I have 38 special, 9mm, and a 12 GA shotgun at home. .308. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). Take all this with a pinch of salt, I'm no expert. Also, the barrel length and quality of the propellant significantly affects the speed of the bullet. But no more. Even if your bullet is only traveling an inch, it will lose velocity, as air drag is steadily wearing down momentum. In a self-defense scenario, you're using your firearm because if you don't, you or a loved one will be harmed. I know the kimber is a little bit bigger but from what I can tell not a noticeable difference because the sig comes with an extended clip with a finger grip on it which you would definitely want if you didnt want your little finger to hang off the bottom. But in my earlier days, my Gunny (who had that little blue ribbon with the white stars) held up a 1911 in front of we impressionable middies and said, "Gentlemen, this is the Colt .45 pistol, developed in 1911 by St. John Browning. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. If he hits you, its going to hurt. I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. An extended double stack .45 mag will give you the larger magazine capacity. Momentum equals mass times velocity. Muzzle Velocity and Down-Range Velocity A key advantage, as stated, is the 45's shallower penetration for home defense. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. My Walther PQ 45 has a 12+1 capacity and incredible accuracy. my_old_glock Registered I once knew a fellow how kept a revolver loaded with snake shot on the living room mantle (kids and all) so his wife would have something to fire at an intruder which would essentially scare him off without killing him. Yes you are right there is a lot more 9mm ammo than there are 45 ACP. American lend-lease foodstuffs accounted for over 10% of Britain's over-all food supply during the war. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. So therefore if you had a smallish gun with 6+1, you'd be covered. Basically you aim at the feet because you end up over the head. I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). The 45 acp has better stopping power. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. An average muzzle velocity of 9mm ammunition, that being the energy the bullet leaves the barrel with, is around 1,200 feet per second (commonly abbreviated as fps or ft/s). I heard the military downgraded calibers bcuz nowadays more ppl are inexperienced shooters. He survived wounds to the chest, back, both arms and both legs. That would be like using some of the retail 10mm ammo that is similar to regular 40s. I noticed that also that new powders and more advanced bullet designs seem to ONLY apply to the 9mm. Nobody needs a gun. The 9mm is well established as a reliable handgun cartridge, but if speed is your goal, the 5.7 delivers faster muzzle velocity. Thanks for the one sided argument. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. 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